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I mentioned this on another thread but these new propsals are being exhibited at the Waterhall Gallery this week. I popped in today to have a look at the exhibition (last day of it today).

 

There is no mention of cycling in the Access and Networks section. No mention of cycling in the Transport and Highways section. When I pointed this out to one of the reps he pointed me to a piece that you'd need a magnifying glass for where there were a few cycle lanes (a lane is going a bit too far) on pedestrian areas, however, these lanes didn't connect in anyway. When I was talking to the rep another guy chipped in next to me and agreed.

There is no sign, for example of anyway of connecting Broad Street to New Street by bike and there are no bike lanes on any roads.

Chris and John B of Pushbikes - I'm not sure if you've had chance to view the plans. Hopefully you can maybe exert a little pressure on the Council/developers to look at these proposals again with a cyclist in mind

 

Ryan 

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I was going to go to this after work yesterday but stayed late listening to the debate in parliament. I thought I might go today but it finished at 3. It's open 9-1 tomorrow or there is a feedback form online.

 

If more people comment on lack of cycle facilities it will increase the chance of them taking some notice ...

http://www.paradisecircus.co.uk/public-consultation/

I wont have time to get in there but thanks for highlighting this. Do we want to be crammed into lanes though. At the moment we can get from New St to Broad St by just gently filtering through the pedestrians

I have written paragraphs on the lack of cycle facilities using the link above. The current situation is either push your bike through Paradise Forum or negotiate Paradise Circus, which is akin to negotiating a motorway interchange on a bicycle.

I referenced the national debate on cycle safety and highlighted that this could be an opportunity to start getting things right and be a foundation stone to the kind of cycle infrastructure that will encourage more of us to get around in that manner and promote Birmingham as an enlightened 21st century city.

I won't hold my breath.

The new development should allow you to cycle straight through ?

It's not really gently filtering though is it? It's usually so slow it's easier to get off and push. Not ideal if we want more people cycling.

Dave Cox said:

I wont have time to get in there but thanks for highlighting this. Do we want to be crammed into lanes though. At the moment we can get from New St to Broad St by just gently filtering through the pedestrians

Yes depends on time of day and its impossible during the German market of course!  I dont want to be be banned from all pedestrianised areas though. I do ride the Circus when I am in a hurry and also go round towards Mailbox and ? Alpha Tower.

 

But your main point about not being thought about at all is absolutely right.

What are you talking about?  A supreme mess up by planning?  It's not even been submitted for outline planning approval.  It's a city centre destination, not a cycle route.

I went to the exhibition.  There was a board showing cycle routes into/through the site.  (exhibition boards here (page 12 for cycle routes... http://www.paradisecircus.co.uk/public-consultation/ParadiseCircus-...)

There will be complete remodelling of the road system removing the circulatory around fletchers walk.  It will be a vast improvement on the current situation.

What more do we want?

Andy

A city centre destination that people would like to cycle to perhaps?. I realise that it's only an exhibition but cycling isn't mentioned in the Transport and Highways section. Isn't that a bit odd? Have a look where the majority of the cycle lanes go. They start and then stop (see Lionel Street, Great Charles Street, Paradise Street for example).

Hopefully there will be more detail later on and I'm not overreacting.

Ryan

Andy Wood said:

What are you talking about?  A supreme mess up by planning?  It's not even been submitted for outline planning approval.  It's a city centre destination, not a cycle route.

I went to the exhibition.  There was a board showing cycle routes into/through the site.  (exhibition boards here (page 12 for cycle routes... http://www.paradisecircus.co.uk/public-consultation/ParadiseCircus-...)

There will be complete remodelling of the road system removing the circulatory around fletchers walk.  It will be a vast improvement on the current situation.

What more do we want?

If it appeard that something in the proposals might make the current situation worse, or might be dangerous, or anti cycling then fine complain.  Let's not start complaining about something that is, at the moment, a complete non-issue.

And re the route from Broad St to New St, there's cycle routes shown either side of Broad st, either over the bridge, through the new development, up to Victoria Sq, down Pinfold St, or through the subway, along the off road cycle path on Paradise St and to the top of Pinfold St.

The only odd ommision I can see in the exhibition is lack of mention of the long term plans to extend the tram to broad street along Paradise St.

Looks like four routes through as opposed to 1 and a half now.

I went to the consultation on Thursday morning, and I was given contact details for arranging a meeting between the developers and Push Bikes, where we will go through the plans and suggest improvements for cyclists.

It is nice that the plans refer to cyclists being able to use the streets in the pedestrianised area - however, commuter cyclists are unlikely to want to slow down for pedestrians, so it would be good to have routes where cyclists could go faster.

The road system, although better than the existing one-way system, is still off putting, without even any ASLs put in at the junctions. There is clearly much that could be done to improve that part of the proposals.

I was pleased that several of the guys there are keen cyclists, and were very happy to have a meeting with us to discuss the plans.

They are going to put in changing rooms and showers in the new buildings. I am not sure about provision for cycle parking.

I'll continue to check this thread - if you can put up the suggestions that you have made, we can put them altogether for that meeting.

if you examine the new grid there are several very broad non vehicular routes running through the development, as opposed to the current bottleneck of one and a half routes. I think cyclists and pedestrians will mix OK, you will just have to slow down a bit,use your bell and be patient.

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